dana
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Post by dana on Sept 17, 2005 20:20:05 GMT 4
Quite right, downtrodden1, but that doesn't mean we should give up!
There are people whose specialty is the study of the Constitution and judicial precedent. The US Constitution may be undergoing some poor treatment but this is simply one of many things that must be put right again.
American citizens, of whom I am one, must understand what their rights are. Are you aware of the powers that are accorded to a Federal Grand Jury? Do you know what a 'runaway jury' is? Do you understand the implications of the exceptional freedom that has been granted to Federal prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald?
If not, I suggest that you read Citizenspook at citizenspook.blogspot.com, among others, for relative information.
There are any number of battles that need to be fought to ease the world back from the brink, but we American citizens owe it to humanity to understand the powers with which we are invested by virtue of being citizens of the World's superpower! Even if these powers are being usurped, we still have greater capacity to bring about change than most any other citizenship in the world.
We must first recognize that the peaceful future we seek for the world <b>depends on our ability to reason and react responsibly</b>. 'Responsibility' is really the word. And for that, you, downtrodden1, I, and our compatriots, must understand the tools that are at our disposal to bring about change. The US Constitution is one of them.
Who knows, a bit of reasearch might surprise you ...
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michelle
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Post by michelle on Sept 17, 2005 21:12:35 GMT 4
Hey Dana,
Thank you for the link to citizenspook. I intend to post more on reclaiming our sovereignty and becoming REAL American citizens instead of chattle of the Corporation of THE UNITED STATES. Give me sometime and look for my post later. We must go back to Constitutional Law if we are to save ourselves as a Republic. Knowledgeable citizens strike fear in the hearts of our sham government. Believe me, they ARE going down and it can't be soon enough!
Peace, Michelle
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DT1
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Post by DT1 on Sept 17, 2005 21:44:10 GMT 4
Michelle; Just knowing there are intelligent, rational people like yourself out there gives me hope. What has been done these past five years can (must)be undone. We have a lot of work to do... I stand with you.
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Post by gil on Sept 18, 2005 22:22:15 GMT 4
Thanks DT-1. And thank you too Azmat for your profound observations. And yes why not. We can discuss miltarism/terrorism/patriotism on the General World Affairs board. You can start a thread there. I can help you if you are unable to. And choose some cool avatars everyone. I shall return...
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Anwaar
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Post by Anwaar on Sept 18, 2005 22:27:00 GMT 4
welcome Gil and do return.
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Post by gabriel on Sept 18, 2005 22:30:47 GMT 4
In order to have a meaningful discussion on constitutional law, the United States will need a constitution. Unfortunately a couple of less than patriotic acts have just about made the document in question redundant.
I will participate here as fully as I can, but it takes a lot of energy to resist the brainwashing that the university I am attending is trying to inflict on me. If it gets really interesting though, I won't be able to resist.
There's a lot to rant about, the lack of US economy, or the idots that be leading western civilization down the toilet, perhaps that's where it belongs.
Here's hoping.
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Post by gayattrii on Sept 18, 2005 22:54:45 GMT 4
dear anwaar,
what should we do? right now i'm inclined to make hugo chavez the hero of the world and the leader of the world. in his speech to the UN, he said, get the UN headquarters out of US. he said, start a NEW international body - like a world parliament minus all the US capitalist tricks. he said, start a New International Economic Order and a New International Political Order. he knows what to do! he is the only leader in the entire world who has the guts to tell it like it is and to tell bush what he is. i feel like moving to caracas! but, i don't know what we can do here in america. people who have been photographed by intelligence at peaceful protest demonstrations find themselves banned from flying on planes - four peaceful protestors face fines of $275,000 each and ten years in prison. look at the oppression here. what are we supposed to do? can you answer this question?
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Post by gayattrii on Sept 18, 2005 23:01:50 GMT 4
anwaar, i'm a computer illiterate and don't know how to join this. somebody below mentioned intenational law. please start that topic. i'm writing two papers right now. (1) rights of prisoners vis a vis international law and (2) pre-emptive invasion vis a vis international law. i'd love to have that topic here.
how about a separate topic called Venezuela - and solidarity economy, bolivarian revolution and endogenous development. how about discussin what should be the new WORLD PARLIAMENT - to replace the obsolete, impotent, corrupted United Nations ?
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Post by lugnut on Sept 18, 2005 23:46:25 GMT 4
Hi Anwaar, Just received you email and registered on this forum. I appreciate your writing and will check this forum daily. As to whether it can make a difference in the bigger picture I am extremely skeptical. As a Canadian, in the past 5 years I have gone from feeling that the US is a second home to having utter contempt and disdain for it. I don't wish it any more misfortune but suspect that one day in the not too distant future China will kick America's teeth in. They have already begun to do so economically the next phase will be militarily. Good riddance.
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Post by effojyaj on Sept 19, 2005 0:06:26 GMT 4
Hello Anwaar,
I don't know why people wouldn't respond. I had started a response a while back and didn't send it, as I didn't want to make my eventual return to the U.S. impossible. It was my usual rant about how the best thing for all americans would be that Bush pisses off the Iranians, that they sink the Persian Gulf fleet with their Silkworms, u.s. can't finish building bases in the mid-east, oil starts getting traded in euros, dollar falls by 90 percent. This would be good because it would reduce our debt by 90 per cent and make us an attractive low wage location. It might even get Bush and his ilk out of the White House. Unfortunately, even this bozo's entourage is probably not stupid enough to push the Iranians too far. I wish the Mullah's weren't so prudent. I also think it would be very good if somebody would sell the Iranians nuclear weapons immediately. With the craziest country also being the most powerful, everybody now needs nukes to defend themselves from unprovoked attacks.
What can we do at home? Boycotts seem to be out of style. I don't know why, the big corporations have so few employees that they can't really fire more to deal with a boycott. Since the media is the problem, a good thing might be for everybody to stop cable service, maybe keeping one connection in a neighborhood and making good use of videotape for the hardcore tv addicts. Stop high speed internet connections from the six big companies, taking instead t1 lines and distributing them to the neighborhood by wifi. The music and movie downloaders should get together and keep only one connection by cable or dsl to download. Set up a linux server to run multiple sessions via remote control software. If enough of us put ourselves together, we could negociate with content providers not on the s-list, and buy our media from outside the country and distribute it by our non-big-media internet connections using streaming connections. If we could organize that, I guess they'd have to wake up a bit and listen to us. Of course if we could organize that, I guess we'd have been able to pass campaign finance reform. That would seem to be the single issue that counts here. If it was more difficult to corrupt the process, we might have a chance at moving in the direction that the majority of the people really want. Of course between the huge number of complete idiots out there who don't know that they've been indoctrinated to vote against their own good and the quantity of corrupt voting machines and unchecked election day irregularities such as intentional bad distribution of machines, they really don't even need to raise money any more, except as a cover to make the cheating seem more plausible.
Of course I'm against violence against people. But I bet they don't guard those voting machines any better than the chemical plants in New Jersey across the river from NYC. If they could be blown up without hurting human beings and that shortly before the 2006 legislative elections, and we returned to paper ballots, we might see the will of the people.
I'm glad I left the country. We stopped burning coal here a while back, and I'd rather take my chances with nuclear power than mercury poisoning.
The United States has gone completely insane. Are the billionaires living in bubles with filtered air? or do they figure it's not a big deal that their own kids are subject to mercury and particle pollution? Denial? Wanting money at the expense of health. That sounds like a mental illness. Two family members of a billionaire should be able to get him committed like anybody else, why not? Or are the family members of these nuts also nuts?
Do any of you know these crazy mugs? I'd love to know about these people's personal lives. People who give money to the legislature to have the right to spew mercury all over the country. I bet they think they're good folks.
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Post by lamaingauche on Sept 19, 2005 0:26:44 GMT 4
I do quite a bit of reading but often wonder if I'm persuing subjects that are most important. What's at the top of your lists?
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Anwaar
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Post by Anwaar on Sept 19, 2005 3:44:49 GMT 4
Yes Jay, the hyper power seems to have gone berserk. But what is heartening is that we are gathering company as was evident from the recent UN summit. The world leaders are finally coming out of their isolated phobias to speak boldly and openly.
lamaingauche, any thing that comes to your mind and that we as a forum can benefit from. There are people of immense wisdom on this forum, I can see that. Any topic is welcome from them as long as it is not "my god is better than your god". That would be my line.
Thanks Jay and lamaingauche.
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Anwaar
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Post by Anwaar on Sept 19, 2005 4:20:33 GMT 4
Thank you all for joining and participating. Any one can start any thread under a relevant board at the home page. If someone thinks a relevant board does not exist, please PM me or post right here and I will create one under the appropriate title.
My only request is that please brainstorm here and do not incite to violence and do not get into 'my god is better than your god' debate with any one.
Steve. I didn't even know what this 'Karma' thing stood for until you pointed out. I will take it out of the forum if that is possible.
What does everyone else think of the 'karma' thingy?
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dccdn
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Post by dccdn on Sept 19, 2005 5:40:37 GMT 4
Anwaar, I suppose your animated gif is Diogenes? I don't know how much time I shall have to post, but be sure that I shall be reading and support your efforts.
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Post by rabiesbabies on Sept 19, 2005 7:10:11 GMT 4
I think the first thing that needs to be addressed is wealth distribution and poverty, and all the ills that goes with it, from disease to malnutrition, lack of educational possibilities, lack of infrastructure. This problem is worldwide and also within nations, and without addressing this issue, there will be refugee's and all the problems associated with them, there will be entrenched poverty, subject to continuous catastrophic events, and we look at the monies spent on recovery and rebuilding, that money could have been used to avoid most of these disasters in the first place, and without more equitable distribution of wealth, there will always be chaos and war, in so called third world nations, which as we have found out, can cause destabilization throughout the entire world. Had the US and Russia/Soviet Union spent the monies in developing nations they now find themselves on the brink of going to world war over, then Afghanistan, Pakistan, and the ex Soviet Islamic Republics would already have well established oil industries and the related wealth to have created huge economic interests and possibilities for nations throughout the world, wealth would have been generated in both the producing and purchasing nations, and millions of people would still be alive, and this can be done worldwide. If we could just take off the blinders and think, and not be so greedy to the point its in our own detriment to pursue these policies we now have in place, then truly wealth could come to the entire world, the resources are there, the desire for peoples to live prosperously and in peace is there, even the means to work this out is in place, but it needs to start with people all over acknowledging that we are all in the same sinking boat, that whats good for us, can actually be good for everyone, and that building a World Economy will create more wealth for all. So how do we accomplish this, thats a question we need to answer, and the trust to do this is a huge issue that needs to be addressed, and where does the mistrust come from, why mostly from our governments.
Anwaar, this is a great idea, not unique except for involving people of conscience from all over the world, maybe we can make things happen, with mutual respect and open minds, thanks again for your hard work and determination to make this world a better place, excellent job!
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